Comments on: He Who Leads the Charge https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=732 when the government is pointing their guns in the wrong direction Wed, 13 Aug 2014 15:02:13 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.2.4 By: ghunt https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=732#comment-90955 Wed, 13 Aug 2014 15:02:13 +0000 http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=732#comment-90955 In reply to Tom.

Article I, Section 8, clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.

The excise tax on alcohol was enact as a means of paying of the debt.

Article I, Section 8, clause 1: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.

Congress directed Washington to use what expedient he thought necessary to deal with the refusal to abide by the laws (excise tax) and with the apparent insurrection.

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By: Tom https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=732#comment-90658 Wed, 13 Aug 2014 09:00:39 +0000 http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=732#comment-90658 In reply to ghunt.

For me to rediscover the point where Washington violated the Constitution to send troops into Pennsylvania to forcibly extract taxes to pay down the Government War Debt will be difficult for me to rediscover. It would take me time, but it is a well documented fact that he had no Constitutional right to do this as taxation was not a part of the amendments, only added later, well after Washington’s time. I am not a genious on history, so if you would direct me to your sources. As I understand it there was not a insurrection but a bastardization of the truth. To be blunt. I am a subscriber to ‘Strike the Root: A journal of Liberty. These guys are far from stupid and have no tolerance for myth. The resources they are able to go to is a plethora of documents. It is like Abraham Lincoln violated the Constitution numerous times just to do what he wanted to do. So. If it would not be too much of a bother to you I would appreciate a documented refutation of my statement. I am going to attempt to dig out my sources which shows Washington illegally used federal troops against the Pennsylvania moonshiner to collect a tax, I am not speaking of Shays Rebellion, which I believe had merit. I am not presenting this to be argumentative, but would deeply appreciate anything that you can provide to disprove my point. I am not afraid of being wrong, and if so I would like to correct it.
As to insurrection, it may have been because the moonshiners were enraged. Washingtons troops met with a massive force of mountain people which cause him to withdraw the troops. You see, the moonshiners did what they did because it was the least expensive manner in which to get their corn product to the market, easier to transport quart jars of moonshine than wagon loads of corn which would soon go to spoilage and cause a loss of income to the mountain people.

With all due respect.
Tom

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By: ghunt https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=732#comment-89943 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:50:32 +0000 http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=732#comment-89943 In reply to Tom.

Washington, when he sent the militia to put down insurrection and enforce the law of the land, was totally within the powers and authorities granted the federal government by the Constitution.
The Constitution was ratified by the states. If they didn’t ratify it, Washington could not sent the militia. The state ratifications of the Constitution were not done by the state legislature, rather by delegates selected from the various parts of the state., by the people of those parts. That means the majority approved of the powers and authorities that were implemented when Washington sent them out to deal with it.
Unlike today, people had respect for obligations of debt, if they were entered into voluntarily. That debt had to be paid, and the Constitution provided the means to pay it. Had we not paid it, what resources would we have had access to in 1812? Or, would we have returned to British rule?
Patriot mythology often misrepresents history.

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By: Tom https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=732#comment-89826 Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:02:22 +0000 http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=732#comment-89826 Who will lead? I believe that question is answered by the current Executive, Legislative and Judicial jack-boots. Should we graze across the various media flora, we note the direction we are being shoved, and we fat cows are not bawling over the unfamiliar trail we are accustomed too. We observe the deterioration of our nation. Those who speak out are framed as lunatics, right wing extremists. So we continue to get up in the morning, have our coffee and donut, take off for work, come home and want to watch the newest reality programming.
As Americans we have grown fat, lazy, docile, and unconcerned, seemingly in a state of unbelief and as if we are watching some other reality program play out in our daily lives. A program we are so willing to accept. Oh, there are the peppers’ who ready themselves for WTSHTF, or dooms day, some militias forming secretly, people purchasing stores of food, firearms, ammunition and etc., but, who will lead when the first shot (already performed) is fired.
My take is George Washington was the first to violate the U.S. Constitution by sending troops into the hills of Pennsylvania to collect taxes from the moonshiners so as to pay down the National War Debt. The Constitution failed from its beginning and continues to fail because there are men only too assured they can get away with it as we see the boy in the White House is doing, only more boldly and daring with no consciousness in regard to what it is doing.

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