Comments on: The Bundy Affair – #16 * The Legal Shotgun https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1689 when the government is pointing their guns in the wrong direction Sat, 17 Dec 2016 07:51:38 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.2.4 By: Douglas Bundy https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1689#comment-627687 Sat, 17 Dec 2016 07:51:38 +0000 http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1689#comment-627687 No young lady not that I know of. But if you follow some footprints of our family, you will soon find out my G G Grand was Abraham Bundy. I had a relate bye the name of Sonny Mcknight, married to Ray Bundy of Alamo Nev. We laid Sonny to rest in the beaver dam. Ray is still alive and remarried. There is a relative in Desert Springs Az. exit after littlefield, North bound I-15, who was a Cox before being married. I do have a connection to her Via a brother Bruce Cox, who is an Attorney in Las Vegas, and claims we are related. I do not argue with an attorney or any one else in this part of the U.S. This is a safe subject. If you want a copy, I need some for my Grand Children, so Contact me by mail @ p.o.Box 491 Mesquite NV. 89024, and I will make a contact. I believe she wants arround $60.00 a copy, hard back. I will tell you my Father in law, was Poncho Floyd Sandberbg, and I would bet that your uncle Bill and Poncho rode with one another, or passed at one time. Poncho punched sheep and cattle for some of the old names south of St. George, this side of the little creek, seventh wonder of the world. One name comes to mind is Slim Warring, the Mathis Family. He (Poncho) herded sheep from Parashaunt to gold butte, to Cedar Mountain. We laid Poncho to rest in Washington Ut. His wife is still alive, and helping some one @ Dixie State U, put some writings together. I have a copy, but you could not buy it, nor borrow it. I believe the Footprints on the Az. strip could tie some things, and some familys togather. Bruce cox escorted me and my wife Barbara Sandberg Bundy, and My Granddaughter Macee Jade Bundy, her Mother is a Leavitt, they are in bunkerville. to lay Macee’s father (Douglas Brian Bundy) to rest on Mt.Trumbull Az. Send me a short letter, that way I will not forget you want a book. it is copyrighted.

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By: Sharon Holmes https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1689#comment-626412 Sun, 11 Dec 2016 02:55:46 +0000 http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1689#comment-626412 In reply to Douglas Bundy.

Douglas,

My family obviously knew the Bundys in the 1800’s. My Great Grandfather James Ritchie McKnight, purchased the Beaver Dam Ranch (Arizona Strip just below the Virgin River Gorge) from Abraham Bundy, who was on his way to the Mormon Colonies in Mexico. My grandmother, LuLu May McKnight was born at Littlefield and she married Albert Henry Strasser who had lived downstream of Littlefield, at Big Bend. They were sealed in the St. George Temple in 1902. His brother George, lived in Mesquite, and their Father, Sebastian Strasser was married to Anna Elizabeth Frehner of Santa Clara, Utah. My grandparents eventually moved down the Virgin River to St. Thomas, where they lived until Lake Mead took the town. My Mother often told of the two day trip from St. Thomas to Beaver Dam, via Key West, Riverside and Bunkerville/Mesquite to visit friends and relatives. I’m sure they knew everyone they passed whether traveling in a horse and buggy or later in a Model T Ford. My oldest uncle, Llewellyn (Bill) rode the range on Gold Butte working for the people who lived at Pahkoon Springs until he finally came into Las Vegas. I wrote about the family connection to both Ammon and Cliven when i wrote to them in jail, because i felt it was a “safe subject”.

Now, is there a copy of “Footprints” on line?

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By: Douglas Bundy https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1689#comment-626383 Sat, 10 Dec 2016 21:48:30 +0000 http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1689#comment-626383 Sharon, I would like u to read some history about My grear great grand father and his wife ella. Footprints on the Arizona strip–A harsh land and proud, Douglas (crocodile) Bundy Proud one!

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By: Julian Heicklen https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1689#comment-618001 Mon, 14 Nov 2016 20:21:15 +0000 http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1689#comment-618001 In reply to Sharon Holmes.

Hi Sharon:
I have read your comment and intend to use it in a paper that I am writing.
Unfortunately, I made a mistake and discarded it.
Please send the e-mail tmessage to me again.
Thank you for your work.

Yours in freedom and justice—Julian Heicklen

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By: Sharon Holmes https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1689#comment-614418 Mon, 31 Oct 2016 19:18:35 +0000 http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1689#comment-614418 Good bit of history.

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By: ghunt https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1689#comment-614411 Mon, 31 Oct 2016 18:31:40 +0000 http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1689#comment-614411 In reply to Sharon Holmes.

I believe that it was more that New Mexico and Utah were sympathetic to the South.

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By: Sharon Holmes https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1689#comment-614396 Mon, 31 Oct 2016 17:22:06 +0000 http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1689#comment-614396 Thank you too, Gary. I did not realize that chunk of land added to Nevada was because they supported the Union. There weren’t really enough people in the entire State of Nevada to support anything. So I will give you another piece of that story. As I’m sure you know, the only reason Nevada was admitted in 1864 was because of mineral wealth. Primarily the gold and silver in the north around Virginia City. But just outside of Las Vegas is the Potosi Mine, which was lead. And of course you need lead to make bullets. But like much of Nevada, there was some silver in everything, including the lead and that made the ore too soft. Apparently, silver is not too particular about the company it keeps, geologically speaking. There is a Silver Reef mind in Southern Utah that was silver in sandstone.

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By: ghunt https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1689#comment-614222 Mon, 31 Oct 2016 05:09:58 +0000 http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1689#comment-614222 In reply to Sharon Holmes.

Sharon,
I very interesting bit of history.
Thank you,
Gary

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By: Sharon Holmes https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1689#comment-614218 Mon, 31 Oct 2016 04:41:38 +0000 http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1689#comment-614218 Thanks for the information, however in the late 1800’s my Grandparents lived in a town of St. Thomas that was eventually flooded by Lake Mead in the late 1930’s and all three States tried to get property taxes from the residents in the early years, and no one knew who to pay. Probably was settle in 1866 or soon after. At that time, Clark County went way north, but the miners in Searchlight (the biggest town in Clark County) complained about the long trip to Pioche to record claims, so Nevada cut Clark County in half creating Lincoln County. Searchlight expected to be named County Seat, but Union Pacific gave a section of ground for the original Las Vegas townsite, and we know the rest of that story. Ironically, I was recently doing some genealogical work on the family and found an account by my Mother of a group of surveyors who boarded at my grandparents house because the Gentry Hotel had closed. I had originally though they were surveying for the new Salt Lake highway, which eventually became I-15, but according to her journal they were looking for a route to take water to Los Angeles. I presume in an aqueduct. My Great-grandfather bought a ranch from Abraham Bundy and a lot of the early pioneers ran cattle on the same land, primarily in Arizona on and around the Virgin Mountains. There were no fences then or now. Brand marks determined ownership and the feed was there for all. I had an uncle who rode the range on a ranch that Cliven Bundy eventually bought out, and I had relatives in Bunkerville and all along the Virgin River.

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By: ghunt https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1689#comment-614214 Mon, 31 Oct 2016 04:16:12 +0000 http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=1689#comment-614214 In reply to Sharon Holmes.

Sharon,
I agree with much of what you said, however, I do have to dispute what you have said about boundaries. As a Surveyor, I had to retrace an 1868 boundary between Colorado and New Mexico. By then, Utah, Arizona, and most of the western states had been surveyed under the sectionalized land system.
Sectionalized land is comprised of a six mile square parcel called a Township, and is further subdivided by markers set “on the mile at the half mile”. That means that the interior lines created a grid of 36 one mile square parcels, with additional markers at mid-point on each 1 mile line.
State boundaries were sometimes described using geographic features, most often rivers. Straight-line boundaries were described by degrees of latitude or longitude. Those lines had already been measured, as described above.
In 1866, a portion of Arizona and a portion of Utah were given to Nevada, expanding its original 1864 boundaries. No state entered the Union unless those surveys had been performed. Often, once the obtained territorial status, contracts were let for the Surveys.
In 1866, the United States, punishing both Utah and Arizona for having sided to some degree with the South, gave Nevada some additional land. Utah gave up a parallel strip along the eastern side of Nevada. Arizona (then part of New Mexico Territory) gave up a triangle that had for its north line, the north line of Clark County, on the east side, to the Colorado River, and on the west side, to the California border.
Surprisingly to most, the surveys back then were extremely accurate, and those boundaries, as established then, hold over current and more accurate methods of location of lines of latitude and longitude.
Finally, satellite imaging had nothing to do with accuracy. Global Positioning System (GPS), using satellites for trilateration, are capable of defining positions on the Earth to less than 1/8 of an inch. However, they are used simply to locate old, existing markers. They have no effect, whatsoever, on the lines once established.

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