Comments on: Stealing Valor https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=838 when the government is pointing their guns in the wrong direction Mon, 28 Mar 2016 08:36:28 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.2.4 By: The Demonization of the Costilla County Off-Grid Homesteaders: How the San Luis Valley “Just Us” Group was Sabotaged • FPRN Radio https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=838#comment-574809 Mon, 28 Mar 2016 08:36:28 +0000 http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=838#comment-574809 […] had neglected to mention that he was a veteran back in 2013, so it is entirely possible that he had stolen valor when he claimed to be a former Army Ranger. Marsh’s integrity is also brought into question […]

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By: The Demonization of the Costilla County Off-Grid Homesteaders: How the San Luis Valley "Just Us" Group was Sabotaged - The Last Bastille Blog https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=838#comment-574803 Mon, 28 Mar 2016 08:24:09 +0000 http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=838#comment-574803 […] had neglected to mention that he was a veteran back in 2013, so it is entirely possible that he had stolen valor when he claimed to be a former Army Ranger. Marsh’s integrity is also brought into question by […]

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By: Outpost of Freedom » Blog Archive » Denouncing the Denigrators – The Seeping Wound in the Patriot Community https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=838#comment-548685 Sat, 09 Jan 2016 20:22:17 +0000 http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=838#comment-548685 […] he had been in “a Ranger unit”. This information was published in an article, “Stealing Valor“, in May 2014. As the title suggests, it was not stolen valor, instead, it was an effort to […]

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By: ghunt https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=838#comment-548206 Tue, 05 Jan 2016 15:31:31 +0000 http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=838#comment-548206 In reply to Kate.

Kate,
Your accusations are not called for. I assume that you can write civilly, you have simply failed to demonstrate that capability.
However, perhaps you need to understand some things. First, there is a difference between awards and medals. The certificates are awards.
Second, there is no proof that he ever said he went to Ranger School, at Fort Benning, or anywhere else. He said he was in a Ranger Unit.
Third, My lips have nothing to do with what or how I approach a story. There were claims made that the said he was a Ranger. In this day and age, everybody has a phone that could easily record what he said. So, I contacted six people that made that claim. Their claim is based upon their recollection, but they failed to record him saying that he was a Ranger. I do have copies of recordings of him saying that he was in a Ranger unit, so they is evidence that he did say that he was in a unit, but none that he was a Ranger.
So, I contacted him with a request for proof, and if he forged those awards, he did so rather quickly. He scanned and sent them to me in less than an hour, and it is in color, with texture, and has different fonts, making forging very difficult.. A DD 214 is black and white, and, yes, if you could get a blank DD 214, you could forge it. But, I believe that to do so would be a bit more difficult than getting a blank death certificate. Death certificates are issued by every county in the country, and often doctor’s have their own. That only leave a few hundred-thousand possible sources, none of which would have the security that the Army would have, with regard to blanks.
So, if we use emotion to decide the matter, as you obviously have, then fuck the facts. However, if we require facts and evidence, then we must judge based upon the facts/evidence that is available. So, please, provide you evidence, and I don’t mean you son’s death certificate.
Until evidence is provided to the contrary, I will stick to the preponderance, and only, evidence.

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By: Kate https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=838#comment-548188 Tue, 05 Jan 2016 12:11:24 +0000 http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=838#comment-548188 I don’t give a crap about his medal’s show the damn copy of the dd214 or shut the hell up. and make sure it wasn’t made by him, you can request a blank copy of a dd214, because I just did it with a copy of my son’s death certificate. so that part is easy. Your back and forth crap makes it hard to stay on track in the first place. Remove your lips from Payne’s ass and produce a copy of the ORIGINAL dd214 that shows that he was at BENNING for Ranger school or shut up, because you are irrelevant and helping to cover for his lies.

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By: og https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=838#comment-57017 Tue, 17 Jun 2014 12:11:03 +0000 http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=838#comment-57017 In reply to Gary Hunt.

What follows has been posted on http://operationmutualaid1.webs.com/apps/forums/topics/show/8900683-militia-commanders-patriots-please-read for over a year. Nowhere does it say he claims to be a Ranger. It just humbly states his experience very simply with truth. The Commendations back that up.

Besides the fact that Rangers argue over what constitutes being a Ranger anyways, including whether being tabbed is even a “Ranger” (the 75th don’t believe tabbed makes you a ranger, but what you do after school and whether you are in regiment does), which lineage is acceptable, if you can recite the Creed (the Ranger atmosphere in LRS is so high Ryan probably had to cite it just to eat chow), or even if Quantrill of the Confederate was a Ranger. LRS is an elite group with no real home of acceptance really. A bastard group with extremely strong Ranger presence. “Stealing Valor” in this case really does come to mind.

As posted by Ryan Payne:

“I am Ryan Payne, democratically elected leader of a small militia unit representing members from Granite, Deer Lodge, and Powell counties in southwest Montana. By this position I am assigned the rank of Lieutenant. I enlisted in the US Army at the age of 17, and served in F-Co, 51st Infantry, the 18th Airborne Corps Long Range Surveillance Company, a Ranger unit developed during Vietnam as Long Range Patrol, used for missions deep inside enemy controlled territory. I was discharged as a Sergeant/E5, Assistant Team Leader of a LRS Team in 2006. I was involved in the initial invasion of Iraq, OIF I, and returned at the end of 2004 for OIF III. My team planned and executed numerous combat missions in theater, usually at great distance from friendly support. I am not highly decorated nor was I an exceptional member of the unit, but I did the best job I could, and have attempted to hold myself to the Ranger Creed, in service to my country, my community, my family, and employers.”

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By: Lewis Arthur https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=838#comment-47717 Wed, 28 May 2014 06:26:38 +0000 http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=838#comment-47717 I was on the ground at Bundy Ranch. As was my brother and several others who would testify to Ryan Payne’s claim that he was a Ranger, wore a Ranger patch occassionally, and cited the “Ranger Creed” he learned in Ranger School. I myself believed Ryan was a Ranger. However, Ryan DID Serve this Nation where I did not. Credit given and deserved. As an individual labelled a “Fed” by Ryan who blames a supposed female “journalist” and witness to several other lies told by Ryan; I will say that even though he Served… he failed to live up to the standards of so many others who are by far greater than myself. I am no fan of the OathKeeper Leadership after witnessing their flight the night of the “Drone strike.” Nor am I a fan of Ryan who lied repeatedly and set forth the atmosphere where my own Patriot brothers and sisters sought to “place a bullet in my head.” Ryan was given recordings which outlined the attempt to mobilize our Militias in an offensive capacity… then he labelled me a “Fed” and Patriots stole over $10,000 of my brother’s and my own personal gear. Ryan may be no Patriot. He may be no villain as well. Many of us repeated lies we believed to be true. I have thought long and hard on this issue. As a person who once believed Ryan was a Federal plant… I question my own belief. Our Nation is in dire need of ANY who would step up to defend it. I pray for my daughter’s sake that Ryan was misguided as I was… that he faltered like many others… that he loves our Nation like I do. We can argue “Ranger” all day… but if Ryan was merely misguided – then I forgive him and aknowledge his sacrifice for the Bundy’s where so many others remained idle and did nothing. If you were not there – what right have you to judge? Since returning home to North Carolina I have found far more lies I once believed to be true, than truths I once believed to be lies. Gary Hunt himself was victim to lies I believed… in order for me to learn the lessons I desperately need to learn, I must accept my own failures. My advice to everyone is this – QUESTION EVERYTHING – be not hasty to judge… egg on the face is a humbling experience I wish no one else would have to face. We must find the truth… but never harm others in the persuit of it. I pray these words I have written will not divide those of us who share the same Cause. God Bless you all.

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By: Michael Butler https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=838#comment-39843 Thu, 15 May 2014 21:50:34 +0000 http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=838#comment-39843 In reply to Peter Osmar.

I agree with your assessment Peter. The bottom line for me is the Bundy’s have chosen their militia/security representatives and haven’t seen fit to make any changes, so that should tell you right there who they have confidence in and who they don’t. If you don’t like who they’ve chosen, well that’s your problem and you’ll need to get over it and focus on the bigger picture, or move on.

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By: Gary Hunt https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=838#comment-39753 Thu, 15 May 2014 18:27:26 +0000 http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=838#comment-39753 In reply to Tom S..

Then you find someone to do your work for you. I am not that person. I simply confirmed that it is very consistent with what I was told.
I could care less what his Facebook page says, as I have sufficient confirmation of his background and what he is known to have said (or written), not what words someone else has put in his mouth.
Do your own homework. I do mine.

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By: Tom S. https://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=838#comment-39745 Thu, 15 May 2014 18:06:13 +0000 http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=838#comment-39745 In reply to Gary Hunt.

Good grief. I didn’t ask you to confirm or refute the veracity of what I copied and pasted, I asked if you could confirm or refute where it came from, specifically, Ryan Payne’s FaceBook Profile. I don’t do FB or else I would check for myself if his Profile reads as I posted it, or check for myself through Google cache searches if his Profile contained that exact text verbatim anytime between early to mid April and about a week ago. I didn’t challenge a single word, letter or punctuation mark of the text, I just wanted to know where it came from. I’m trying to validate the authenticity of it before bringing up what I see as an inconsistency, not in the text I copied and pasted, but in something else in the purported Profile of Ryan Payne. In other words, I’m vetting my source, and not relying on unsubstantiated accusations before either going with it, or dismissing it. You ought to try that some time.

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